Curse

Zahr Dalsk · Oct 30, 2009, 01:02 AM // 01:02

It's long bothered me that the Guild Hall is treated as a PvP area for skill purposes, since it means I can't really play around with potential builds in my own hall.

Now, however, not only have they filled our Guild Halls with all manner of unsavoury henchmen, but we can no longer even access heroes - further disrupting gameplay.

Proposal: that there be an option, perhaps from the Guild Lord, to switch your Guild Hall to a PvE area. GvG becomes inaccessible, heroes become available again, and you see the PvE versions of skills.

EDIT: It'd also be nice if this PvE version of the hall didn't have all those henchmen. We can't take them with us to regular PvE after all, and they're pretty much just an eyesore.

xMinimalism · Oct 30, 2009, 01:15 AM // 01:15

I believe I'm in favor for this...

Although, a few things to point out. You'll probably be told something along the lines of "Just go to a town. If you want to be left alone, then go to an Asia/Korea district - it isn't disrupting gameplay." This is true, but I've also found it a little annoying that I cannot change PvE builds in my Guild Hall due to it showing PvP version of the skills.

Also, it might be a little annoying to have to constantly change the "mode" (PvE/PvP) that it's in, just to change skills around, or access heroes.

EDIT: Take a look at another forum post.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10409947

Zahr Dalsk · Oct 30, 2009, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by xMinimalism

Although, a few things to point out. You'll probably be told something along the lines of "Just go to a town. If you want to be left alone, then go to an Asia/Korea district - it isn't disrupting gameplay." This is true, but I've also found it a little annoying that I cannot change PvE builds in my Guild Hall due to it showing PvP version of the skills.

They're our Guild Halls. We shouldn't have to leave them and go to a town just because other players (who will never even see, enter, affect, or have any relation to our Guild Hall) want it a certain way.

Otherwise, no real point in having one, is there?

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Originally Posted by xMinimalism

Also, it might be a little annoying to have to constantly change the "mode" (PvE/PvP) that it's in, just to change skills around, or access heroes.

Actually, I have more in mind that the Guild Leader can just talk to Guild Lord and set it to PvE mode permanently until he sets in back to PvP mode.

Silent Hunter Xx · Oct 30, 2009, 01:26 AM // 01:26

not even in permanent mode, but just have it like a dis in the Gh maybe?
or have an option just to switch personally?
i dunno but i don't agree with this update

xMinimalism · Oct 30, 2009, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

They're our Guild Halls. We shouldn't have to leave them and go to a town just because other players (who will never even see, enter, affect, or have any relation to our Guild Hall) want it a certain way.

Otherwise, no real point in having one, is there?

Oh, I'm not saying that, I'm just trying to think for/on both sides of the issue.

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Actually, I have more in mind that the Guild Leader can just talk to Guild Lord and set it to PvE mode permanently until he sets in back to PvP mode.

Now this would be a problem for some - Some Guild Leaders aren't always active.
Yes - people could visit their alliance's/friend's guild halls to do this, but as you even said - "They're our Guild Halls". I don't think JUST the leader should be able to change it from PvE to PvP or vice-versa.

xMinimalism · Oct 30, 2009, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by Silent Hunter Xx

not even in permanent mode, but just have it like a dis in the Gh maybe?
or have an option just to switch personally?
i dunno but i don't agree with this update

A district option would be a great idea, instead of having to talk to a certain NPC to change the "mode".

Phineas · Oct 30, 2009, 01:29 AM // 01:29

Voted yes to make my displeasure known but as a simpler suggestion:-

The game already knows if a party has an unascended player in it and prevents access to such areas that require it. Just tinker with that code to include Heroes in GH when joining PvP and job done.

Zahr Dalsk · Oct 30, 2009, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by xMinimalism

Now this would be a problem for some - Some Guild Leaders aren't always active.
Yes - people could visit their alliance's/friend's guild halls to do this, but as you even said - "They're our Guild Halls". I don't think JUST the leader should be able to change it from PvE to PvP or vice-versa.

Or officers too. I guess since GW's guild system is a bit lacking (you can't alter officer privileges, for example) it could be that officers can always change it as well. Either way works.

Tom Swift · Oct 30, 2009, 01:32 AM // 01:32

I don't know about toggling but this removal of heroes is very annoying when you are trying to form groups composed of various guilds in the alliance with heroes to fit. It was handy to meet at one guild hall, get set up and go.

Now we have to meet, get ourselves set up, go and then get the heroes set up.

Kinda stupid.

So I vote for the option.

Silent Hunter Xx · Oct 30, 2009, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by Phineas

Voted yes to make my displeasure known but as a simpler suggestion:-

The game already knows if a party has an unascended player in it and prevents access to such areas that require it. Just tinker with that code to include Heroes in GH when joining PvP and job done.

Agree with Phineas

LicensedLuny · Oct 30, 2009, 01:43 AM // 01:43

voting yes for the reasons I stated on the other thread ...

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Originally Posted by LicensedLuny

I'm /signing this, too.

I've just recently posted the following on the official wiki's game update talk page. I don't know much about wiki organization, so it may get moved to some more appropriate feedback page later.

The two big things this update broke for me and my friends are ...
- Inability to stage PvE teams which include heroes in our Guild Halls
- Inability to theory-test by scrimmaging against another friend and heroes.

People may say that we can always go stage for PvE in a PvE town, to which I respond, "Well, it was a lot easier in Guild Halls which we sunk lots of cash to have all the PvE npc services accessible." And now the theory-testing with scrimmages will be much harder if you need a player to run each test bar.

Being able to switch the Guild Hall from PvE to PvP mode would be great for theory testing, but I'd be happy if they simply gave back the two features this update took away.

MisterB · Oct 30, 2009, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by Phineas

Voted yes to make my displeasure known but as a simpler suggestion:-

The game already knows if a party has an unascended player in it and prevents access to such areas that require it. Just tinker with that code to include Heroes in GH when joining PvP and job done.

I posted something similar in the other thread, and I hope this can be done. A PvE hall would be a nice option, too. Districts seem like a workable solution, but I'm unsure if this would increase server load. I voted yes.

jayson · Oct 30, 2009, 02:16 AM // 02:16

VERY unhappy with the update. I specificly have as little as possible in my GH because I prefer it that way. I start the game back up and suddenly I'm throwing a party! I want all the henches gone please. Put it back the way it was before the update.

UraniumJoint · Oct 30, 2009, 02:28 AM // 02:28

YES!!!YES!!!YES!!!YES!!!

I am not a fan of this update at all...

darkknightkain · Oct 30, 2009, 02:29 AM // 02:29

Just curious, would it be easier to just put two outposts on Battle Isles for Guild Hall, one PvE, one PvP?
(Like how FA and JQ normally showed up in Factions)

Right now there is actually an empty unused island on the map (formarly known as TA) all the hooks should be already there.

Marzipan Marci · Oct 30, 2009, 02:48 AM // 02:48

If you want a pieceful place where you can sit, and think about (or even create) new builds, go to one of the Kurzick outposts. There are some beautiful ones, and if you don't like the Stoned Forest, head to the Jade Sea.
Personally, i love to be in Leviathan Pits, while i set up my new heroway.

GvG starts from the Guild Hall. The skills must be in their pvp version. Able to chose between the two versions? Well, look at all these new updates. UWSC is harder, we finally got our PvP henchmen, no more Tease hero in Heroe's Ascent. Be grateful for this.

Zahr Dalsk · Oct 30, 2009, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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